Addresses criticism of his views on the “calories in, calories out” model, arguing it oversimplifies health. Emphasizes that personal trainers are crucial healthcare providers, discussing their roles in exercise, nutrition, and overall wellness. The impact of improper carbohydrate intake on energy and metabolism, leading to fatigue and muscle loss. Plans to release a detailed video to help trainers improve their services, allowing him to focus on complex health issues like long COVID and neurodegenerative diseases.

Highlights of the Podcast

01:01 – The reason I call you health care providers

01:23 – The calories in, calories out model

02:37 – Weight loss

03:54 – All the little things about the body

05:15 – The reason you got tired

06:55 – Cutting your calories

08:23 – The chemistry matters

09:34 – Personal Trainers are more health care providers than our medical doctors

11:12 – The chips I keep talking about

12:26 – The calories in calories out thing

13:03 – The way we look at health care

Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:00:03] So for questions. Chalmers was. I’ve been waiting kind of on this question we got a couple days ago, a little bit less of a question, a little bit more of a, angry comment. The thrust was, am I going somewhere with this calories in, calories out thing, or am I just being an ass? And both. That’s. Oh, here’s the thing. A lot of people, man, most of the trainers are mad. And. Okay. Here’s the thing. First of all, to the two traders that are there, I view you all as healthcare providers. A lot more than medical doctors, medical doctors or sick care providers, which is that’s their role. And people get sick and they need that. That was fantastic. Two totally different models. You guys and I are on the same, same page. We’re colleagues, trainers and I you guys, we’re colleagues. And the reason I call you health care providers is that who what else could you be called? You guys talk about exercise. You talk about nutrition. You talk about supplementation. You talk about sleep. You talk about bloating, alcohol. You talk about hormones. You guys are healthcare providers. You guys are making people healthy. So that’s why I wanted to bring this up. Well, here’s the thing.

Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:01:23] The calories in, calories out model is kind of a 70% deal, like it works 30% of the time, and that’s fine. And if you’re cool with that, fantastic. If you’re good with participation trophies, if you’re good with third place, that’s cool. You’re not necessarily the guys I’m trying to talk to. However, the guys you want to be in the first place, the guys who want to figure out all the little things about their body, the guys who want to dig down into the minutia. That’s the guys I’m trying to talk to. What I say to do is we’re gonna make like a longer video explaining all the chemistry, explaining the whole thing, how this all works, how it all plays together. And I’ll put it on the blog as well as website you that ten days. I’ll make it this weekend, let my team kind of do some fun video stuff to it, and we’ll put it on the website, and we’ll put it on the member’s area. And everybody has access to the member’s area for 90 days, whatever it is. So check that out. It’s going to be it’s gonna be a little bit higher level. You might have to look up some of the stuff. That’s fine, I don’t care. I gotta look, I’m all Jordan Peterson stuff, so if I say something, you guys have to look up. You just have to learn something. Anybody can watch it, but it’s going to be one of those things that I’m going to go through and kind of break down some of the chemistry for you guys, and kind of help. It’ll help you just make your treatments better.

Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:02:33] Now, here’s the other side of this. I’m not trying to steal your weight loss patients. I hate weight loss. I don’t do weight loss. When people call me ask for weight loss, I tell them no. I tell them I will make you healthier. And in that process, your body will change. But I don’t do weight loss. In fact, I make people throw away their scales. I ask my patients, I’m going to step on stage in bodybuilding at 240 pounds. I started this whole process at 240 pounds. I’m not trying to lose weight. I’m trying to. I’m trying to get rid of the fat and add in the muscle. So weight is irrelevant. The only reason I’m weighing is because I’ve had to for the event. And so now we’re going to go through and you know, we’re gonna see where it is. So I would love for you guys to learn this and then I can hand you. But people who want to lose to change the body shape because I don’t want to do the accountability. I don’t want to talk to them every day and hold their hand and be like, did you have an actual cookie? Like, I had this. Not with that I want to do with long Covid. I want to do with Ms.. I want to deal with dementia. I want to deal with, you know, you know, Lyme disease, though, that’s fun for me. This new weird bacteria that’s around, it’s giving everybody just massive sinus infections. It’s wrapped in a biofilm. That’s fun for me. I want to work on that. I don’t want to work on weight loss. I don’t want to work on, you know, body fat changes.

Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:03:47] Like, I’ll help my patients. Is that part of it? But I’d rather hand these guys to you and you guys take it. So that’s why I want to teach you all the little things about the body. If you care about learning, if you don’t, fine. But if you do want a scone, like I said, give me about a week, ten days, and it’ll be up when the member is up and we’ll have the videos up. So how does this pertain to you? Why give me a daily thing on this one? Easy, okay. If you eat lunch or breakfast or a snack or dinner, dinner’s a little bit different. And yes, there’s multiple reasons for this, but one of the big reasons if you eat a meal in 45 minutes to an hour later, you are more tired than before you ate it. So that whole like, you go to lunch and you come back and you get that kind of lull where you’re just like, I’m tired. And like an hour later you’re like, oh, I got my second wind. I’m okay. Now. The reason you do that, for the most part, is because you’ve exceeded your glycemic threshold levels. What that means is that you’ve eaten a carbohydrate load that is higher than you can personally handle. Now, if you want to learn about that, like it’s in this natto type thing, we’re going to talk about somatic typing in the longer video. But that personal level you’ve eaten too many cups moving to high placement carbs, which means the carbohydrates that you ate turn to sugar too quickly for you and ended up happening is that your body had an insulin response that pushed all of that sugar out of your blood into your muscle tissues, and the rest of it. We ended up at your liver to be processed and turned into fat.

Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:05:13] So here’s the problem. The reason you got tired is because you no longer had any blood sugar, and you’re running on blood sugar. So what happened is that your body will then tear apart your muscle tissues to get amino acids, so they can go through a process called gluconeogenesis, where your liver makes new sugar for your blood. And so that’s why you feel better an hour later. So what happened was that because of the meal you ate was to have, like, steaming or the coffee you drank or what? Because if you went to Starbucks and offering coffee during a milkshake. But anyway, the food you consume had too many high glycemic carbs for you. And it sucked all the blood out of all the sugar out of your blood. That’s what happened. So what is happening is that that thing you ate made you fat and then ate your muscle tissue. That’s what happened. And guess what? Your muscle tissue is your metabolism. So over time, the reason why you keep getting fatter over time and the reason why your metabolism seems to drop over time is because you do this yourself on a regular basis. If you start to figure out, oh, my glycemic threshold is 50 or 60 or 40, or in my case, like 30, then you can start managing your life better. You can start making better choices. But if you don’t understand that, that’s the process that’s happening. You just get tired and you just feel like trash, and you just hate your job and you just wish you could take naps.

Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:06:30] But you don’t know why. The athletes I work with who are taking eating oatmeal, who are eating white rice. And if they’re tired afterwards, it’s because those two things are very high in glycemic function, especially if it’s instant like instant oatmeal and white rice and jasmine rice 70 to 90 on the glycemic index, but really high on glycemic function. So that’s what’s going on. Bodybuilders, when you guys are cutting your calories and you’re starting to lose all this muscle mass you work so hard to get. Why? Same exact reason you’re not fulfilling your blood’s needs for sugar. And so what ends up happening is that it’s ripping apart your muscle tissues. Now everyone’s like, well, I’m in ketosis, so I’m fine. No you’re not. Here’s the deal. You’re everything in your body can run off of either sugar or fat except your blood. Your blood doesn’t have any mitochondria. So it has to have sugar. The way it creates its ATP is that when you have sugar in the blood, as the sugar comes into the cytoplasm of the red blood cell, it splits into lactate. When it splits, it releases to ATP. That’s how it works. So yeah, your entire body is not running on calories, is running on ATP. So that’s why I keep telling you guys the calories in, calories out model is trash. If you stop looking at calories, you start looking at how are we generating ATP for the tissues.

Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:07:45] We’re looking at muscle, fat, blood. All of a sudden all the chemistry starts making sense and you start going, oh, this makes sense. Now here’s the thing. A lot of you trainers actually agree with me, and you don’t know if you’ve ever told a client. Watch your calories really closely and make sure you eat high protein diets. Okay. Again, proteins are for carbohydrates or for. So they’re equal. So as far as calories in calories out goes. You just told them to choose one over the other for no reason. Because if the calories in calories was real, you just picked one. Here’s the thing they don’t work the same. And you know that, you know, like complex carbs versus simple carbs. Again, you know that the chemistry matters. You may just might not know how to use it. I’ll teach you how to use it in the video. Again, I don’t want your clients. I want you to do better for your clients. Because I want the lines. I want the celiac. I want the long Covid, I want the Covid. I want, you know, Ms. or the neurodegenerative diseases. I want the heart attacks, like all the things we’re gonna see because of Covid. So I want to work on that stuff. But this diet thing is kind of the first thing I have to teach people. And I would much rather have be able to hand this off to somebody like, who’s your trainer? Fantastic. Go to your trainer, have them do this, and then I’ll do the rest of this stuff. I’ll watch your blood. I’ll make sure your hormones are where they’re supposed to be.

Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:09:00] You. Yeah, and your trainers can send them to me. I’ll do the hormone stuff. I’ll watch your blog and I’ll send them back. Because you guys can do this. Because, again, I don’t want to do fat loss. I want to do the other stuff. So this is the reason that I keep pointing this out because we could be doing better. We meeting trainers and me because I identify with you guys a whole lot more and I identify with anybody else. We as a community could be doing a lot more for our patients and our clients health and well-being. Because here’s the thing. I’ve said it before, and I, I would love to have this argument. Trainers are personal. Trainers are more health care providers than our medical doctors are. Again, I’m not saying medical doctors are not as good or worthless, but they’re sick care. Like you don’t go to your medical. Actually go explain to me. Nutrition like never asking anybody for nutritional help. They don’t get any education. They don’t need the education because they’re not health care providers. They’re sick care providers. You go there when you’re sick. If you go, you don’t go to a doctor, a medical doctor to get healthier.

Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:09:59] You know, a trainer to lose weight to you, to lose fat, to build muscle, to, you know, get in shape, to get healthy, to learn how to eat a diet, your health care providers. So we need to we need to make sure that we’re better at what we’re doing. So if you care about the sitcom, it’ll be remember section. Go check it out. If you don’t, fantastic. But well, at least you explain all the chemistry to you and figure out, hey, how is it that I’m cutting the fat I’m cutting and I’m maintaining and growing my muscle tissue? How is that possible? Because I don’t need the sugar. I’ll go through it with you. So that’s the thing. So yeah, calories in. Calories out is a functional model, but it’s just not good. Like you could be doing a lot better. And so if you want to do you do a lot better for you or for your clients or for anybody else. Anybody can go watch the video and you guys can try to, you know, apply that to your life. So on the site, we’re also going to have some of the things I’ve been eating. Yeah. If if you’ve got the biggest question is, well how do I make this stuff. How do I do this. So Lou’s made some my wife made some videos for you guys. We’ll make some more. We’ve got some recipes that are going to go on there in a couple days.

Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:11:07] We’ll have the macro breakdowns so you guys can start kind of understanding, oh this is how it works. So the chips I keep talking about that I have that are fantastic. I’m eating more I’m cutting. I’ll show you guys how to make them. They’re real easy. Now here’s the fact. Some of these foods are going to contradict with other videos I make. For instance, the how to clean your arteries, not have any cholesterol, and not have to worry about cholesterol quacking and heart attack trucks up. So there’s gonna be some balancing you’re gonna have to do right? Because here’s the thing. In this country. We can’t be healthy all the time. We have to make sacrifices. We have to say, okay, I’m gonna eat these foods because it checks all these boxes. We gonna take these supplements to clear out the trash that these foods gave me, or that I. My stress is giving me or to you. Whatever. So we’ll go through all that stuff. We’ll go through fast things that you guys understand how to do that. So the whole thing. So we’ll do multiple videos on those different things. It’ll be on the tours of Walmart.com website and in the member’s area. We haven’t created that. We’re going to do that tomorrow. Video I’ll make a video this week.

Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:12:04] This weekend. Well to get it at ten days, two weeks on it. Which is kind of funny because it’ll be about the same time you do the show on June 1st. Will be lots of pictures. We’ll post lots of pictures, stuff like that from the show. So, you know, follow us. Doctor showers one. So we’re posted here. We’ll post it on Instagram or posted on Twitter X whatever it is. So that’s that’s where we’re going with the calories in calories out thing. So I want you guys to all understand how to do it. I want you to understand it’s just another step up in the chemistry. And yeah, if you’ve ever been like you need a high protein diet, but you don’t really 100% are saying why. I’ll explain that if you understand, if you go, hey, there’s a difference in carbohydrates between complex carbohydrates and simple carbohydrates. But I don’t really know what the big view is. I’ll explain that the more information you have, the easier it’s going to be for you guys to make yourself healthy and push back against this giant conglomerate of make you as sick as possible so they can, you know, profit off of your illness. So that’s the whole thrust, my my whole purpose.

Dr. Matt Chalmers [00:13:02] My whole goal is to change the way we look at health care. If you guys can learn this little piece that took me hour long to me to figure out. Great. Go on, tell everybody else. Just let’s just all get healthier. Let’s change the way we look at the way the body works, the change, the way we look at health care. Because at the end of the day, like I said, we need to make a delineation between health care and sick care. Trainers, you guys are a tip of the spear for health care because no one’s making people healthier than you trainers are. Because again, exercise, sleep, diet, supplementation, hormones that’s all that y’all like. Like I go over exercise, but I don’t watch people’s form. I don’t make sure they’re doing it right. I don’t call them up at night, be like, did you did you do your accountability staff? Did you have an extra cookie? Not my thing going to you guys do it please. If you guys want to come talk to your groups, will you guys do that? Because like I said, I want, I want to I want to do the bigger, more, more I want to do. Things are more interesting to me. So, we’ll post a lot that stuff if you guys have any questions. Questions that Chantal A.com, drop them in the comments. We’ll have comments on for a while at least. On the pillars of. But, check that out. Like I said, we’ll drop some videos and stuff in there on how to make some of the different foods, but, you know, follow us on that one and hopefully we’ll get some information out for you guys will really help. So I will talk to you guys later. Thanks for your time.

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